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raea29 · May 11, 2010, 08:53 AM // 08:53

I'm sorry if this is in the wrong section, if it is please just redirect it.

Anyways, after playing for a while a few years back my guild leader told me Discordway was the team to use but at the time I was utterly clueless.

Now I have started again and I looked out Discordway and started prepping and using it. After a short while on the forums I saw that it wasn't an ideal build for a physical character and many people just didn't like it for HM or Vq!

So I have been looking at people posts and I have put together an ER Prott Ele.

I was wondering. what is the best 3 Hero builds to use with my Warrior for HM and should the ER Prott be one of them?

Thanks. =]

Anime Divine · May 11, 2010, 09:53 AM // 09:53

many people have different opinions. but id say people who dont like discord way is because it got to easy and Boooring for them. that is why they dont like it.

if you want an easy game go discord way. if you dont come back complaining here that
the game is too hard

me i finished all vanquish with discord and dual discord done most elite areas with discord/hench and dual discord. so what does that tell you.

Bristlebane · May 11, 2010, 09:55 AM // 09:55

I doubt heroes would use ER Prot properly unless you micro the ER.
How about Orders necro and perhaps a Para?

raea29 · May 11, 2010, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Anime Divine

me i finished all vanquish with discord and dual discord done most elite areas with discord/hench and dual discord. so what does that tell you.

So do you mind me asking the build that you used for that because I have not been able to find a very good Warrior Discord Caller.

Anime Divine · May 11, 2010, 10:19 AM // 10:19

as you wish go read here http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/y...tml?t=10361973

Divine Ashes · May 11, 2010, 10:19 AM // 10:19

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Originally Posted by raea29

So do you mind me asking the build that you used for that because I have not been able to find a very good Warrior Discord Caller.

You can run anything you want, it's just ideal that you have a spammable condition and hex on your bar. Asuran scan is the ideal hex for discordway...low energy cost, low recharge time, and it's actually kind of beneficial as well. As for condition, warriors have plenty, but if all else fails change to /N and use enfeeble or something.

Use those three pve skill slots wisely!

Myotheraccount · May 11, 2010, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Discord is an ugly, boring
build. That's why people don't like it.

Deadly Arts- 12
Assassin's Promise
"YMLaD!"
EVAS
"FH!"
Use with Radiant Insignia, 3x Attunement Runes and +20 energy staff.

Melee cant call Discords fast enough. This is a generic AP Caller that works with every class, use it for "perfect" spikes. Don't worry about energy because you will have more than enough to last through the entire battle.

If you just can't stand the idea of a Warrior casting stuff I suggest you run Asuran Scan and put Withering Aura on one of your necs. That way you will be able to costantly apply a Hex and a Condition to the target. Your spikes will be a little weaker because you have to run up to your targets and don't have a strong spike yourself. I also suggest running Death's Charge to reduce the time it takes to reach the mob and mess with mob AI.

That said, Spiritway is much stronger than Discord.

Luminarus · May 11, 2010, 10:48 AM // 10:48

I dont like discord because its very boring. Now I use my own sort of variation of sabway.

On my warrior I run myself with pretty mcuh watever, then I have a AotL minion bomber with aegis & prot spirit for some prots. A SoS/Resto hybrid healer with splinter weapon and ancestors rage. And a 3rd hero, usually a SS necro with MoP, Barbs, Enfeebling Blood, and Strength of Honor.

Basically using a couple of overpowered elites to supplement melee support. Hitting a target with barbs on, i usually do about 70 damage a hit. If MoP is on them it accumulates aoe really fast. Those 2 skills also synergise with the minions nicely as well.
Splinter weapon and A-Rage @ 14 channel are really nice as well, a good amount of AoE damage.

Finally, decent anti pressure from the party heals on the SoS, prots on the mm, and and optional slot on the SS which can be hex removal, condition removal or more damage depending on the area.

In areas where I need rupts I usually bring a VoR mesmer instead of the SS.

With that setup, im yet to find an area that the henchy monks cant keep me up unless I do something extremely stupid. I also then have 3 hard rezes on my henchies so i dont run out of sigs, but tbh I rarely die with that set up.

Frodo_lives · May 11, 2010, 12:50 PM // 12:50

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...ical_Hero_Team
Well if you want to play as a true Physical char here you go!!!!! This build rocks with a Warrior. I ran this on Ring of fire to help a guildy the other night and they where like your heroes rock dude. you get buffs to make ur self like a Spartan.
I have found that I can roll thru almost anything,

raea29 · May 11, 2010, 01:01 PM // 13:01

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Originally Posted by Frodo_lives

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...ical_Hero_Team
Well if you want to play as a true Physical char here you go!!!!! This build rocks with a Warrior. I ran this on Ring of fire to help a guildy the other night and they where like your heroes rock dude. you get buffs to make ur self like a Spartan.
I have found that I can roll thru almost anything,

Thanks this look really good. I'll give it a shot. What henchmen do you use with this build in 6 and 8 man areas?

Lysinc · May 11, 2010, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Hero Spiritway
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

Sabway
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Sabway

If you're going http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team...ical_Hero_Team, I'd suggest replacing the ER Order for an ER Protter instead and replace the protection prayers on the MB with curses such as mark of pain or barbs.

Also with Discordway as a melee, you can put succor on N/Mo for the +1 energy regen.

Magragoc · May 11, 2010, 02:32 PM // 14:32

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Originally Posted by Myotheraccount

Discord is an ugly, boring
build. That's why people don't like it.

Deadly Arts- 12
Assassin's Promise
"YMLaD!"
EVAS
"FH!"
Use with Radiant Insignia, 3x Attunement Runes and +20 energy staff.

Melee cant call Discords fast enough. This is a generic AP Caller that works with every class, use it for "perfect" spikes. Don't worry about energy because you will have more than enough to last through the entire battle.

This is the worst advice I've seen in this thread, and some of the worst I've seen on this forum. A Warrior CANNOT grab a staff and energy runes and pretend to be a caster. More energy does not equate to energy management, and in a prolonged fight, even a Necromancer will start hitting the SR cap and may use Signet of Lost Souls to supplement their energy. A Warrior would be hopeless. It's just fact.

Look at it this ideal situation: An enemy is near death. You cast AP, then "You Move Like a Dwarf!" then "Finish Him!" to kill it off. Your 12-spec Assassin's Promise returns 17 energy. But you used 25 energy! Not only did you blow a Warrior's entire base energy, but your pitiful +2 regeneration won't allow you to maintain that pace. You've devolved to using only three skills; you won't have the energy to use the other five, and as a W/A your other options for energy management are nonexistent.

At least we agree that Discord isn't the "be-all-end-all", and that there are better ways, especially for a melee character. But to say that a warrior can run AP like a caster is to do a disservice to novices who may be reading this.

Daesu · May 11, 2010, 03:49 PM // 15:49

Discordway is an old build that is more suited for a caster than a warrior in the first place. Yes, it can 'work' for a warrior since PvE is easy enough but it is not optimal especially considering the many skill buffs that happened after discordway was created.

Why warriors should not use discordway? Look at the many threads in the warrior forum. For examples:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...t10429811.html

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/d...t10434120.html

I personally use a SoS rit hero, ER prot/smite, and MM for my warrior.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...64&postcount=1

raea29 · May 11, 2010, 03:55 PM // 15:55

Thanks for all the advice. I had read in many places that warriors should use AP and a staff but I never trusted that my energy would handle it.

If i do continue to use discord I will keep condition skills with Asuran Scan but otherwise I will look at the Physical build, Spirtway and Sabway.

Has anyone got any suggestions for the henchmen I should take with me for 6 and 8 man areas?

Thanks again. =]

Quaker · May 11, 2010, 03:56 PM // 15:56

I generally use a BHA ranger, an SoS rit and an MM for heroes. If needed (depends on class/area/mode/etc.) I take 2 henchie healers and 2 other henchies which vary.

For 4 player areas I bring a healer hero instead of the BHA ranger. The healer may be an HB or HB/resto blend or healer/bonder - whatever I feel like at the time.

I like to go my own "way".

Arm · May 11, 2010, 04:08 PM // 16:08

Ya, i'm not too sure about the whole AP-caller build with a melee and the whole problem with the AP-caller build is that if AP is removed your boned. I used it for a while(actually quite a few VQ's and HM stuff) with caster profs and decided after testing it's better to run other builds although it does work well, it's just kind of a pain in areas where there's lots of hex removal. In those areas u will need to bring more spammable hexes and conditions. However, if u really want to run discord on your melee I tried it with Warrior's Endurance and a couple spammable hexes/conditions and it does work ok. I was able to keep enough energy for spamming and pain invertor and ebon sin when I did it. But I still think you're better off to run spirit-way or one of the other builds suggested, in fact sabway works great with a melee because of the mop/splinter wep aoe that will get thrown around you and your targets.

Daesu · May 11, 2010, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Every profession has its unique strengths and weaknesses. The warrior's weakness is its lowest energy pool and lowest energy regen of ANY other class. The problem with people trying to fit the AP builds into a warrior is that, even if you can make it work to an extent through skewing your equipment, it is just going to be inferior. Especially when compared to a caster like the necro which fits discordway much more naturally.

The strength of a warrior is its high armor, supporting builds with AoE damage (e.g. Splinter Weapon) would work better and it allows the warrior to actually play like a warrior and hold aggro.

You get better results by adapting your heroes around each character whom they serve, rather than adapting all your characters around one generic heroway build.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/3...t10434770.html

Magragoc · May 11, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

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Originally Posted by Daesu

You should adapt your heroes around the character whom they serve, rather than adapting your characters around one generic heroway build.

Absolutely. Mark of Pain, Great Dwarf Weapon, Splinter Weapon, Orders, Strength of Honor...these are great days to be a melee damage dealer. Your cup runneth over with options to steamroll any area in the game.

Play to your strengths.

In regards to Henchmen; between my minions, spirits, and a few micro-able Prots, I usually only bring a Healer henchie everywhere. The other spots should be depending on where you're going. Is it the answer you're looking for? No, and sorry about that, but it's honest. Check the wiki for the henchman builds available, and experiment to find a good mix that works well for you.

Reformed · May 11, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Learn how to corner block and micro your heroes and you can run basically whatever you want.

Myotheraccount · May 11, 2010, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Magragoc

This is the worst advice I've seen in this thread, and some of the worst I've seen on this forum. A Warrior CANNOT grab a staff and energy runes and pretend to be a caster. More energy does not equate to energy management, and in a prolonged fight, even a Necromancer will start hitting the SR cap and may use Signet of Lost Souls to supplement their energy. A Warrior would be hopeless. It's just fact.

Fanboy. Ofcourse it can run AP caller, any class can.

There are no prolonged fights with these kind of H/H builds. They are imba as hell. You need to enlarge your energy pool so it lasts these fights.

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Look at it this ideal situation: An enemy is near death. You cast AP, then "You Move Like a Dwarf!" then "Finish Him!" to kill it off. Your 12-spec Assassin's Promise returns 17 energy. But you used 25 energy! Not only did you blow a Warrior's entire base energy, but your pitiful +2 regeneration won't allow you to maintain that pace. You've devolved to using only three skills; you won't have the energy to use the other five, and as a W/A your other options for energy management are nonexistent.

No thats a badly theorycrafted situation. It shows that instead of spiking you are wanding. =/

You don't wait until the target is at low HP just to start off the chain. You cast AP > "YMLaD!" > mash hotkeys linked to Discord > finish off with "FH!". EVAS is only required at the start of the battle.

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But to say that a warrior can run AP like a caster is to do a disservice to novices who may be reading this.

I dunno how it is compared to a caster but AP caller can be run effectively with any class. I don't see how saying that is a disservice to novices when it's absolutely true.

OP asked for a Warrior Discord caller build. I gave him the two options; either to run an AP caller or a melee-orientated Asuran Scan variants. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. In the end Discord is largely overrated IMO especially if you want to exploit physical damage of your character.